I've encountered the idea of kumite/pair-work being treated as kata in other martial arts, i.e. Kendo. Not in Karate though. However I don't see why karateka would be hostile to the idea of considering it as such.
I was reading Alexander Bennet talking about Nihon Kendo Kata. In the 1st kata, defender slays the attacker outright, in the 2nd, the defender merely maims and disarms but does not kill, and in the 3rd the defender counters an attack to chudan, then pursues the retreating attacker "with the point of his blade raised to touch the perspiration between his eyebrows in a display of penetrating zanshin". Each is supposed to represent levels of mastery, learning to kill, learning restraint, and learning compassion. Though I suppose what you're talking about here is less about philosophical value than practical value and technique.
I might see if I can find any good books/material about kata in older Japanese martial traditions...
When I practiced Wado Ryu I remember practicing a lot of 基本組手 (kihongumite) that were considered to be paired kata. Now that I practice Ashihara Karate (which is not a traditional style), I still find myself practicing kumite principles with partners as part of kata.
Ashihara Kata are all done in pretty much the same floor pattern and are there mainly to drill techniques by yourself. But these kata can be broken down into smaller components and done together with partners.
There is a video of 組手の型３ (Kumite no kata san) which demonstrates this quite well. The kata is demonstrated at normal speed, then slowed down, and then with opponents included.
I think other non-traditional forms of karate may include similar practices. But everyone has their own opinions on these things.
Kumite no kata san is a kata specifically designed to train certain kicks. The core technique of that kata is that stopping low kick (similar to a Muay Thai teep).
There tends to be a central theme of Ashihara Kata. It's not apparent from the theme but it is to people who practice it.
But Japanese martial arts have been hiding the intentions of their kata for a long time. I know iaido techniques called things like 浮雲 (ukigumo : floating clouds) and 虎一足 (tora isssoku : One tiger leg) that give absolutely no information as to the content of the kata.
I've encountered the idea of kumite/pair-work being treated as kata in other martial arts, i.e. Kendo. Not in Karate though. However I don't see why karateka would be hostile to the idea of considering it as such.
I was reading Alexander Bennet talking about Nihon Kendo Kata. In the 1st kata, defender slays the attacker outright, in the 2nd, the defender merely maims and disarms but does not kill, and in the 3rd the defender counters an attack to chudan, then pursues the retreating attacker "with the point of his blade raised to touch the perspiration between his eyebrows in a display of penetrating zanshin". Each is supposed to represent levels of mastery, learning to kill, learning restraint, and learning compassion. Though I suppose what you're talking about here is less about philosophical value than practical value and technique.
I might see if I can find any good books/material about kata in older Japanese martial traditions...
When I practiced Wado Ryu I remember practicing a lot of 基本組手 (kihongumite) that were considered to be paired kata. Now that I practice Ashihara Karate (which is not a traditional style), I still find myself practicing kumite principles with partners as part of kata.
Ashihara Kata are all done in pretty much the same floor pattern and are there mainly to drill techniques by yourself. But these kata can be broken down into smaller components and done together with partners.
There is a video of 組手の型３ (Kumite no kata san) which demonstrates this quite well. The kata is demonstrated at normal speed, then slowed down, and then with opponents included.
I think other non-traditional forms of karate may include similar practices. But everyone has their own opinions on these things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo0Z51T8k4A
Thanks for that. I watched the video, very much kick-based, but I guess that's the theme. There were blocking patterns in there too.
Kumite no kata san is a kata specifically designed to train certain kicks. The core technique of that kata is that stopping low kick (similar to a Muay Thai teep).
There tends to be a central theme of Ashihara Kata. It's not apparent from the theme but it is to people who practice it.
But Japanese martial arts have been hiding the intentions of their kata for a long time. I know iaido techniques called things like 浮雲 (ukigumo : floating clouds) and 虎一足 (tora isssoku : One tiger leg) that give absolutely no information as to the content of the kata.